So, you think you have independence? Ultimately, nothing in our Universe can claim this attribute.
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Dave: Everything in the universe is dependent upon something else.
Jeff: That’s right. You need water. Stars need fusion. Rocks need the nuclear forces to hold their molecules together. Cars need gas. Gas needs atoms. Atoms need a nucleus. Nucleuses need…
Dave: We get it. Everything depends on something RIGHT NOW to keep existing.
Jeff: If everything in the universe is dependent, the WHOLE universe must be dependent on something outside itself… ya know, God.
Dave: When I paint all the walls in a room orange, I get an orange room. If I dump water on every object in a home, the home itself is soaking wet.
Jeff: Right! And if every object in the Universe is dependent, the universe must be dependent too.
Dave: But, could there be some kind of machine at work? Put some dependent things together and they become independent?
Jeff: What happens if you put a baby, alone, in a forest. Very needy. If you put 1,000 babies in a forest together – are they any less needy? STILL DEPENDENT!
Dave: Our universe is dependent on something outside itself, to keep existing.